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We have lost at least 36 calves to wolves.  We run on 100,000 acres. When wolves kill there is nothing left except maybe a leg or head or ribcage. Very difficult to find. We have been paid for 1 confirmed kill in 09 when in 09 we lost 20.  We now have GPS on cattle to track contact w/wolves, changes in grazing patterns etc.  The cattle have to be confirmed to be reimbursed which has been a problem even with wolf prints, scat, and trauma consistent w/wolf kills.  Hopefully that will change. We have run cattle on this range for many, many years without this kind of predation.  We will have a count on calves in about a month for this year. It’s normal to lose 3-4 but not 20. 

Non Lethal methods includes Range Rider, extensively more human presence, keeping cattle closer together, removing any dead animals.  The day before/of the last predation our rider was out in this same pasture along w/some hunters.  We also have neighbors looking out for us and us for them.  These wolves have no real fear of people as they simply come to town and kill also.  The wolves have also just run cattle to death and not eaten them.  Our neighbor lost a bull, cow and calf which cases are being reviewed this week.  We spend alot of time checking and rechecking our cattle.  The elk calf count is down also to 18/100 in this same area. Wolves basically hunt, eat, repeat.

Info from ODFW official. 

We run close to 600 head of cattle.  About 400 are in wolf country as wolf territory has spread out. The range rider knows the general location of the “pack” (alpha male & female) which divided into 2 packs this spring.  There were 13, a pack of 6 and a pack of 7.  The alpha male is the only one w/collar on now I think so we get a general location of him. We get a text from ODFW everyday telling us/Range Rider where the wolves are.  They can travel easily 50 miles in a day.  They have lost touch with the pack of 7, 3 wolves have moved on and 2 have been killed leaving 8 plus a pup.  The range rider sometimes camps out.  We have much more human presence and the cattle are kept closer together to be able to check them more often.  This is 100,000 acres, 10,000 private which is where much of the killing takes place.  Wolves seem to kill early am or at night.  

Our neighbor lost a bull, mama cow and calf which cases are being reviewed.  When wolves kill alot of times all that’s left is a head, ribcage or leg so it’s very difficult to find remains.  We watch the birds alot to see what they are paying attention to as well.  We will bring our calves in soon and have an actual count of how many are “missing”.

In the spring when the wolves “come to town” alot more efforts in small pastures are made, noise, rubber bullets, flagery (fencing) around calving pastures.  The wolves are also much more visible during this time.

Oh Angela, please share your experience and answer the questions.

Were the questions I previously asked about things you felt to uncomfortable about to answer?  They beg for your answers.

Like whether ”the other ranchers in the Imnaha pack territory [are] losing a lot of these large summer range calves” to wolves?

And “Do you get just one text a day from ODFW each day about the location of the alpha, or are there more?”

And “how close together you keep them?” “Were the cows on the private 10,00 acres or so grouped “close together” so you could monitor them, or were they spread out over the property?”

I understand that there are some 7,ooo head of cattle, owned by several different permittees, in the Imnaha pack territory, so it would be useful to know how many cattle the other permittees are losing. That way we could know more about their loss  numbers and ask questions about why certain permittees are losing more than others, if that is the case. 

The Oregon Wolf Plan states on p. 47 that:

“Phase I (0-4 breeding pairs) 

Non-injurious harassment of wolves is allowed without a permit by livestock producers or their designated agents on their own land or by permittees who are legally using public land under valid livestock grazing allotments. Such actions can include scaring off an animal(s) by firing shots into the air, making loud noises or otherwise confronting the animal(s) without doing bodily harm. Non-injurious harassment is allowed only for wolves in the act of harassing, attempting to harass or in close proximity to livestock.”

 Did you or your husband go out on “your” private land to use these methods when you knew that the Alpha was in the neighborhood, or were you too tired after coming home from your day job?

How can one range rider hired to take care of some 7,000 head of cattle spread out over many thousands  (hundreds of thousands?) of acres, including yours and other allotments around the Salt Creek Divide, possibly be able to cover the territory?  Aren’t many more needed? Where was Todd? What’s he doing?

Are the cows yours, or are they owned by the Marr Flat Cattle Co. L.L.C.?  Principals include Chris Buhler (absentee from Clifornia?), Allison Reed, Lake Oswego, Oregon, with both Leslie Miller of Los Angeles, CA and Todd Nash of 64541 Alder Slope Road in Enterprise, OR listed as managers. Does the Buhler family actually own most or all of the outfit with Todd hired as one of the managers?

You stated that “These wolves have no real fear of people as they simply come to town and kill also.” I can find no documentation of that, and I have heard from Joseph, OR that the statement is simply not true.  Will you please document your statement with some verifiable source?

What is truly unattractive Angela are your ad hominem attacks, your lack of candor, and your conflicting statements concerning your claims about wolves, compensation, land and cattle ownership, and efforts at non lethal control. People drew their own conclusions as to why you refuse to answer relevant questions concerning your statements. If all ranchers, as well as  hired hands like Todd, had made an honest effort to use effective non lethal control, your servants at ODFW and “Wildlife Services” would not have issued the recent kill order for the two wolves. Hopefully the state ordered stay of execution in response to the recent request by wolf advocates for judicial review will become permanent.

A sour note Christopher Christie? 

Wow Refugee2000  ,   $20,000 of known damage by this pack is not enough for you? 

How many tax dollar are spent tracking this cronic depredating pack?

Do you think that this pack will send out pack taught cronic depredators?  

Is that going to be good for the wolf program in Oregon? 

Does Oregon have true wolf habitat where they don’t cause trouble?   

According to you is there ever a time to remove wolves from the landscape?  

Isn’t the Oregon Wolf Plan clear that it allows the removeal of cronic depredating wolves even in your 1 – 4 pack grouping?  

Just the facts, no hysteria…It’s not funny.

We have lost at least 36 calves to wolves.  We run on 100,000 acres. When wolves kill there is nothing left except maybe a leg or head or ribcage. Very difficult to find. We have been paid for 1 confirmed kill in 09 when in 09 we lost 20.  We now have GPS on cattle to track contact w/wolves, changes in grazing patterns etc.  The cattle have to be confirmed to be reimbursed which has been a problem even with wolf prints, scat, and trauma consistent w/wolf kills.  Hopefully that will change. We have run cattle on this range for many, many years without this kind of predation.  We will have a count on calves in about a month for this year. It’s normal to lose 3-4 but not 20. 

Non Lethal methods includes Range Rider, extensively more human presence, keeping cattle closer together, removing any dead animals.  The day before/of the last predation our rider was out in this same pasture along w/some hunters.  We also have neighbors looking out for us and us for them.  These wolves have no real fear of people as they simply come to town and kill also.  The wolves have also just run cattle to death and not eaten them.  Our neighbor lost a bull, cow and calf which cases are being reviewed this week.  We spend alot of time checking and rechecking our cattle.  The elk calf count is down also to 18/100 in this same area. Wolves basically hunt, eat, repeat.

Info from ODFW official. 

We run close to 600 head of cattle.  About 400 are in wolf country as wolf territory has spread out. The range rider knows the general location of the “pack” (alpha male & female) which divided into 2 packs this spring.  There were 13, a pack of 6 and a pack of 7.  The alpha male is the only one w/collar on now I think so we get a general location of him. We get a text from ODFW everyday telling us/Range Rider where the wolves are.  They can travel easily 50 miles in a day.  They have lost touch with the pack of 7, 3 wolves have moved on and 2 have been killed leaving 8 plus a pup.  The range rider sometimes camps out.  We have much more human presence and the cattle are kept closer together to be able to check them more often.  This is 100,000 acres, 10,000 private which is where much of the killing takes place.  Wolves seem to kill early am or at night.  

Our neighbor lost a bull, mama cow and calf which cases are being reviewed.  When wolves kill alot of times all that’s left is a head, ribcage or leg so it’s very difficult to find remains.  We watch the birds alot to see what they are paying attention to as well.  We will bring our calves in soon and have an actual count of how many are “missing”.

In the spring when the wolves “come to town” alot more efforts in small pastures are made, noise, rubber bullets, flagery (fencing) around calving pastures.  The wolves are also much more visible during this time.

Oh Angela, please share your experience and answer the questions.

Were the questions I previously asked about things you felt to uncomfortable about to answer?  They beg for your answers.

Like whether ”the other ranchers in the Imnaha pack territory [are] losing a lot of these large summer range calves” to wolves?

And “Do you get just one text a day from ODFW each day about the location of the alpha, or are there more?”

And “how close together you keep them?” “Were the cows on the private 10,00 acres or so grouped “close together” so you could monitor them, or were they spread out over the property?”

I understand that there are some 7,ooo head of cattle, owned by several different permittees, in the Imnaha pack territory, so it would be useful to know how many cattle the other permittees are losing. That way we could know more about their loss  numbers and ask questions about why certain permittees are losing more than others, if that is the case. 

The Oregon Wolf Plan states on p. 47 that:

“Phase I (0-4 breeding pairs) 

Non-injurious harassment of wolves is allowed without a permit by livestock producers or their designated agents on their own land or by permittees who are legally using public land under valid livestock grazing allotments. Such actions can include scaring off an animal(s) by firing shots into the air, making loud noises or otherwise confronting the animal(s) without doing bodily harm. Non-injurious harassment is allowed only for wolves in the act of harassing, attempting to harass or in close proximity to livestock.”

 Did you or your husband go out on “your” private land to use these methods when you knew that the Alpha was in the neighborhood, or were you too tired after coming home from your day job?

How can one range rider hired to take care of some 7,000 head of cattle spread out over many thousands  (hundreds of thousands?) of acres, including yours and other allotments around the Salt Creek Divide, possibly be able to cover the territory?  Aren’t many more needed? Where was Todd? What’s he doing?

Are the cows yours, or are they owned by the Marr Flat Cattle Co. L.L.C.?  Principals include Chris Buhler (absentee from Clifornia?), Allison Reed, Lake Oswego, Oregon, with both Leslie Miller of Los Angeles, CA and Todd Nash of 64541 Alder Slope Road in Enterprise, OR listed as managers. Does the Buhler family actually own most or all of the outfit with Todd hired as one of the managers?

You stated that “These wolves have no real fear of people as they simply come to town and kill also.” I can find no documentation of that, and I have heard from Joseph, OR that the statement is simply not true.  Will you please document your statement with some verifiable source?

What is truly unattractive Angela are your ad hominem attacks, your lack of candor, and your conflicting statements concerning your claims about wolves, compensation, land and cattle ownership, and efforts at non lethal control. People drew their own conclusions as to why you refuse to answer relevant questions concerning your statements. If all ranchers, as well as  hired hands like Todd, had made an honest effort to use effective non lethal control, your servants at ODFW and “Wildlife Services” would not have issued the recent kill order for the two wolves. Hopefully the state ordered stay of execution in response to the recent request by wolf advocates for judicial review will become permanent.

A sour note Christopher Christie? 

Wow Refugee2000  ,   $20,000 of known damage by this pack is not enough for you? 

How many tax dollar are spent tracking this cronic depredating pack?

Do you think that this pack will send out pack taught cronic depredators?  

Is that going to be good for the wolf program in Oregon? 

Does Oregon have true wolf habitat where they don’t cause trouble?   

According to you is there ever a time to remove wolves from the landscape?  

Isn’t the Oregon Wolf Plan clear that it allows the removeal of cronic depredating wolves even in your 1 – 4 pack grouping?  

Just the facts, no hysteria…It’s not funny.